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Anubis Oct 18 2007, 11:42am


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You know I use to have alot of respect for MS, they know how to play money. But this is just stupid, what does G-rated even mean? (Gimp?)
I think I ill switch to mac, and hello I'm back

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gryphonosiris Oct 19 2007, 5:33pm


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The really sad part is that things like the armor variations, the camera save game system and Forge ALL beg for Machinima. I mean, really when you think about it these are tools that would bring modern Machinima into a realm of greater and brighter possibilites. It would allow for some kick ass matrix style pans, allowing the 'director' to dictate what he has on set at a given time, even allow for characters such as a monitor or even make it more obvious that a character is not a Spartan.

I mean really, this just sucks.

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Machinima is still being made you know. Nothing's exactly gone extinct.

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ChickenYoda2 Oct 21 2007, 8:57pm


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i hope edgeworks finds a way that they can make The Reclaimer, im in need of a kickass movie episode chain thing.

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mplacki Oct 21 2007, 9:23pm


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For all the complaining you guys do about these rules, you'd do well to do some basic research and read the revised version. dry.gif

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<--QuoteEBegin-->Game Content Usage Rules



We know that people like you love our games and sometimes want to use things like gameplay footage, screenshots, music, and other elements of our games (“Game Content”) to make things like machinima, videos, and other cool things (your “Item” or “Items”). We’d like to make that easier for you. So long as you can respect these rules, you can use our Game Content to make your Items.

What can I do?

Here’s the magic words from our lawyers: so long as you respect these rules, Microsoft grants you a personal, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to use and display Game Content and to create derivative works based upon Game Content, strictly for noncommercial and personal use. We can revoke this limited use license at any time and for any reason.

If you share your Items with your friends or post them on your web site, then we’d also like you to include the following notice about the Game Content. You can put it in a README file, or on the web page from where it’s downloaded, or anywhere else that makes sense so long as anyone who sees your Item will also find this notice.

[The title of your Item] was created under Microsoft’s “Game Content Usage Rules” using assets from GAMENAME, © Microsoft Corporation.

You can also put a link to this page so people know what the Game Content Usage Rules are.

So what does that mean?

We're giving you some very broad rights to create and redistribute content. You don’t have to post the content on your own site – you can link to a third-party site containing your Items if you’d prefer to store them there.

And by the way, these Rules only cover games published by Microsoft Game Studios and where Microsoft owns the copyright. We can’t give you permission to use games from other publishers or games where Microsoft doesn’t own the IP. Sorry, but you’ll have to contact them for that. Where you see a link to this text on a game’s community website, then you’re good to go. As you can see, this will give you access to some of the most popular titles on the PC and Xbox 360, including:

* Age of Empires (all versions)
* Flight Simulator (all versions)*
* Forza Motorsport (all versions)*
* Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2, and Halo 3
* Kameo
* Perfect Dark Zero
* Project Gotham Racing (all versions)*
* Rise of Nations (all versions)
* Shadowrun
* Viva Piñata

* Use of individual vehicles may require permission from their manufacturer.

For other Microsoft Game Studios games, you’ll want to look on the community website to see if there’s a link to these Rules. If there is, you’re good to go.

Are there restrictions?

It’s tough to predict everything people will do, but there are some things that you can be sure will get our attention.

* You can’t reverse engineer our games to access the assets or otherwise do things that the games don’t normally permit in order to create your Items.
* You can’t use Game Content to create pornographic or obscene Items, or anything that contains vulgar, racist, hateful, or otherwise objectionable content. We can’t help you much here except to say that just like the old saying goes, you know it when you see it.
* You can’t sell or otherwise earn anything from your Items. We will let you have advertising on the page with the Item on it, but that’s it. That means you can’t sell your Item, post it on a site that requires subscription or other fees, solicit donations for your Item of any kind (even by PayPal), use it to enter a contest or sweepstakes, or post it on a page you use to sell other items (even if those other items have nothing to do with Game Content or Microsoft). This doesn’t restrict you from using your Item for film festivals – that’s not our intention, even if you get a prize for winning. But where someone is trying to promote their commercial venture (even just a commercial website) with a “machinima contest”, they need our permission to do this. If they’ve got our permission you’ll know…
* You can’t necessarily use the soundtracks or audio effects from the original game. We often license those from third parties and don’t have the rights to pass them on to you. We might mention on the community website for a particular game whether you have these rights, so you’d do well to check. And you might need permission from a third party, especially for games with licensed music. But we’ll confirm right here that the music from Halo 3 is available for your use in non-profit ventures thanks to an arrangement with O’Donnell/Salvatori, Inc., composers of this iconic theme.
* You can’t infringe anyone’s IP rights in your Item, even if the IP rights being infringed don’t belong to Microsoft. Among other things that means you can’t use any of Microsoft’s trademarked logos or names except in the ways described in the pages linked from www.microsoft.com/trademarks.
* If you add to the game universe or expand on the story told in the game with “lost chapters” or back story or anything like that, distribution of your Item in any form constitutes a grant by you of a royalty-free, non-exclusive, worldwide, license to Microsoft and any of Microsoft’s partners to use that Item for any purpose and without obligation to pay you anything or credit you. (Sorry, but our lawyers tell us we need to do this in order to avoid frivolous lawsuits.)
* If you grant anyone the right to build on your Item, anything they create will be governed by these Rules too and we’re leaving it up to you to tell them. We don’t mind if other people help you out, but you have to be clear with them that it’s not you giving permission, it’s us. (That’s how we make sure everyone plays by the same rules.)

If you do any of these things, it’s not impossible that you’ll hear from Microsoft’s lawyers who may tell you that you have to stop distributing your Items right away, or who may tell you that you need a commercial license, or who may have other comments. If you think it’s tough to predict what people will do with game content, imagine trying to peer into the mind of a lawyer…

There’s still a way to do some of these things we’ve excluded, but you have to contact us for a commercial license. If you’re interested in doing that, send a mail to gamevids*at*microsoft.com. (And it’s not that we hate the word “machinima” and are trying to rename it into “gamevids” – this is related to a character limit issue on our server side for automated aliases, not a nefarious plot to rename anything.) And if you’re running a real festival, we’d like to discuss with you because you’ll probably want to do things like redistribute festival DVDs and the like, and we want to help you take care of that.

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Quoted from here.

From this, Reclaimer is obviously in the clear and is not infringing on the rules in any way. Adding to the backstory is not a problem, you just can't sue MS if they decide to adopt it. Edgeworks has never used mods, so there are no problems there. They create their own music - no problems there. The only possible question mark is the weapon sounds from the game - however, as these were created in house by Marty O'Donnell & Co., they are almost certainly OK to use. In short, all the Reclaimer is waiting on is a signal from Nerrolken to say "Go."

Enough MS bashing - the rules are clear, straightforward, logical, and fair.

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Fish Oct 21 2007, 11:44pm


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I'm sure the people at EE have read the revised rules. They've been posted in this topic 2 or 3 times now, as you would have known had you decided to do some research.

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mplacki Oct 22 2007, 6:31am


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Actually, that was directed at the people who clearly hadn't read the revised rules and were belly-aching about something that hasn't been accurate for a few weeks now. I'm well aware that people have posted the updates before, and I'm sure the EE crew have followed every development with a close eye. But we have a pretty steady stream of people popping in, not reading the topic, and proceeding to complain.

Sorry if I sounded like a jerk though, I was tired and cranky when I wrote that...

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squattingb
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No, I think you said it very well.
Though I don't know if the weapon sounds were created by Marty and Co. Were they not liscensed from a 3rd party company? Or was that for something else?
Either way, I don't think we should be asking/expecting anything. As far as I know, Nerrolken has already given his decision on this matter.

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Fish Oct 22 2007, 8:54pm


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As a matter of fact, as far as I know, the sounds are created by Marty and Co. But keep in mind that in the revised rules, he only mentioned the music.

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Ascendent296 Oct 23 2007, 5:42pm


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(I appologise for the statement that used to be here. I didn't notice mplacki's comment before i posted, and now that i look back i was confusing some of the earlier pages with the later ones.)
   
 
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I don't think you understand what everyone else is saying. And no one has mentioned "emailing episode of Reclaimer to the viewers to prevent legal problems" for at least two months. Calm down.

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I have a news flash for everyone on this forum: PEOPLE ARE STILL MAKING HALO 3 MACHINIMA WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE THEY ARE BREAKING THE RULES. So stop posting stupid ideas like "make it in secret and email it to us". If they make it in Halo 3 (AND THE CODEX WOULD SUCK IF IT WAS MADE IN ANY GAME OTHER THAN HALO 2 OR 3) then they might as well go the whole 9 yards and post it publically. And i seriously doubt they'd take the time to get all of your emails anyway.

Summary: Go to machinima.com and just look at shows like "Deus ex machina". Halo machinimas are being made with storyline references to the "UNSC" and "The Covenant" and microsoft has failed to silence them.

Sorry if that was a little firey but i'm getting tired of seeing all of you moping around bitching about how stupid Microsft is.
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Fish Oct 23 2007, 10:28pm


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For the record... Deus ex Machina hasn't actually broken any rules, as far as I can tell...

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I have an <--coloro:#000000--><--/coloro-->IDEA<--colorc--><--/colorc-->!!!!!

Make it and than put it in Theaters!!!

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gryphonosiris Oct 26 2007, 5:58pm


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No, I think you said it very well.
Though I don't know if the weapon sounds were created by Marty and Co. Were they not liscensed from a 3rd party company? Or was that for something else?
Either way, I don't think we should be asking/expecting anything. As far as I know, Nerrolken has already given his decision on this matter.
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As far as I know, Bungie did their own sound sampling (watch the special edition DVD, the Mongoose is 50% Vespa motor and 50% Japanese sports car). It follows with their practice of keeping as much as possible 'In house.'

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Cool biggrin.gif

Unfortunately I cannot watch any special features since I do not own a 360.

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gryphonosiris Oct 29 2007, 2:56pm


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Unfortunately I cannot watch any special features since I do not own a 360.
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You need one, for Halo 3 alone you need one. Pluss don't forget Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed are coming out soon.

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Fish Oct 29 2007, 8:57pm


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Eh... I would argue that Halo 3 probably isn't quite worth getting a 360 alone...

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Guitar Hero III is.
   
 
Fish Oct 31 2007, 12:55am


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Well, you don't need a 360 to play Guitar Hero III. But yeah, I think it is.

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