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deathth Mar 23 2009, 9:10am


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From another topic, I understand that "According to Microsoft, you can make machinima, as long as you only use the video of the game, which means no sound effects, music, or plot/anything from the Halo universe."

Now I understand that the problem with making the Reclaimer is with Master Chief, because he is directly tied in with the Halo Universe / plot. This is not true, because Master Chief is a rank, not a person.
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squattingb
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First of all, we don't know if the Reclaimer was going to have a "Master Chief", but I don't think that was the focus of their concern. It's not quite that simple. Secondly, I think we've gone past this topic for now, but thanks for your input.

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deathth Mar 23 2009, 9:36am


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But what does the Reclaimer violate? The rules basically are in order:
1. Don't mod. (Yeah, Microsoft missed and is still missing Matchmaking but they nailed you guy's.)
2. No Porn.
3. Don't sell said Machinima for profit.
4. is irrelevent because you can use the Halo 3 soundtrack (THANKS TO MARTY.)
5. You can't "infringe anyone’s IP rights."
6. If you make "Lost Chapters", Microsoft can use that Machinima for any purpose and not credit you.

So what exactly is the problem? Because those rules are easy to follow.
   
 
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Mar 23 2009, 9:47am


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To be honest, I've stopped trying to understand the usage rules. I'm still not sure whether sound effects can be used because everyone is obviously using them. Perhaps they became permissible once Marty released his IP. Either way, Edgeworks never modded their xbox, I don't think that the Matchmaking people do either, Microsoft doesn't just "miss" someone. Either way, this project is over for now, perhaps it's on the back burner somewhere but that's just the way it is at the moment, no one is really looking to make the series right now.

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deathth Mar 23 2009, 9:55am


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You most likely can use the audio from Halo 3, as everyone on Machinima.com does it. In fact, the only series I've heard that doesn't is Spriggs.

I also understand that The Reclaimer isn't going to happen, now. But can't you guy's just take a break from Halo machinima, do something else for a while. (i.e A year or a couple of months) and come back to it? It doesn't have to be The Reclaimer, it can be something completely different.
   
 
tb2571989
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Nerrolken himself said "barring an act of god, edgeworks will never make Halo Machnima." As much as I would like to see the reclaimer happen, it's not going to. Not as machinima.

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<--quotec-->Not as machinima.<--QuoteEnd-->
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The problem isn't with the characters, Rorshach, it's with the images. Anything from any Halo game, (which means anything we could use to make machinima), is owned by Microsoft, and can't be used without their permission.

You mentioned Machinima.com, and how a lot of people get away with it anyway. But here's the thing: I'm graduating from college in two months. I can't afford to just "get away with it" anymore, I need to be making money. Throughout the period we were making The Codex and The Heretic, we always thought that if we could just get Bungie's attention, they'd want to strike a business deal with us like they did with RoosterTeeth. We now know, through both public and private conversations, that they DO know about us and they have for a while. They're just not interested. Thus, we can't afford to be spending THAT much time on a hobby. Our next series will be 100% ours, so we can sell DVDs, etc.

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:ninja:

You know, he's called winn for a reason tongue.gif

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<--quotec-->sad.gif : Edgeworks, barring an act of God, will never make machinima again.

ph34r.gif : Not only can you look forward to more movies and webseries, you just might see a revival of an old favorite somewhere down the line...
-Alexander Winn
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Reaper195 Mar 23 2009, 7:34pm


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Holy hell, I've never noticed the Winn thing before. I mean, I knew what his last name was but....damn....

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<--quotec-->I'm still not sure whether sound effects can be used because everyone is obviously using them.<--QuoteEnd-->
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That's always confused me. Even just after the rules came out and machinima seemed to stop for a while, everyone was still using the games sounds.

<--quoteo(post=248002:date=Mar 23 2009, 09:25 AM:name=tb2571989)-->
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<--quotec-->Nerrolken himself said "barring an act of god, edgeworks will never make Halo Machnima." As much as I would like to see the reclaimer happen, it's not going to. Not as machinima.<--QuoteEnd-->
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Live action, big budget movie....

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S64 Mar 23 2009, 11:11pm


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The dude does know the Chief isn't the same Master Chief as from Halo, right?

EDIT:Wait, let's say you make a few things, get some cash rolling, enough to maintain yourself while you work on say, a little hobby?

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DragonheartD51 Mar 30 2009, 11:05pm


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It will be very interesting to see the WHOLE Codex series in a real life, original story without the use
of Halo, machinima and such. I can image the whole story now, a bit weird without the whole Halo
back story, setting and such. Still, a shame that the Reclaimer in Halo form will never see the
light of day.

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JadedTarget Mar 30 2009, 11:24pm


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My personal, and probably wrong and hated, input on the cease and desist order...

I think Microsoft is very wrongful to their fans. They shut down HaloGen for Halo Wars. That was a logical business reason. But then they shut down Reclaimer for Reconstruction? Edgeworks could have gotten a machinima of that quality and it even could have been unofficial canon to the Halo story. Instead, Microsoft allowed Rooster Teeth to create something with a story best described as "unbelievably idiotic." At least to me. I would even go so far to say that Rooster Teeth is destroying Bungie's image of Halo and Microsoft's Xbox LIVE community. The characters in Red vs. Blue aren't so much as funny as they are unintelligible bigots. I was devastated that a series started from distasteful jokes would be picked over such a good attempt at serious fan-fiction.

I never liked Red vs. Blue, which is why I went straight to the story of The Codex. Everyone said that Edgeworks was stealing from Red vs. Blue but all I could think about through Reconstruction was a complete jack of what Edgeworks rightly deserved to be doing.

Microsoft lost all hope from me from many things before. But what they've done with Machinima and the community is unforgivable. I know Edgeworks isn't as pissed off about it as I am and they have moved on. But as a fan of machinima, it's Microsoft slapping their community with nothing short of disrespect.

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Reaper195 Mar 31 2009, 12:17am


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<--quoteo(post=248492:date=Mar 30 2009, 10:24 PM:name=JadedTarget)-->
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<--quotec-->I was devastated that a series started from distasteful jokes would be picked over such a good attempt at serious fan-fiction.<--QuoteEnd-->
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I'd point you towards FanFiction.Net to proove your point, but you're eyes would be scarred with all the Final Fantasy yaoi. There are large amounts of pure trash that everyone says 'r gr3tst bok evaar', and very few that are any decent. I was, however, reading a Hitman/CSI crossover (Game/Series) a while ago. The author ended up doing something else, leaving the story unfinished. If it weren't for the fact that it was a crossover/fanfiction, I'd tell the guy to submit it for publ;ication. It was amazing.

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<--quotec-->Everyone said that Edgeworks was stealing from Red vs. Blue but all I could think about through Reconstruction was a complete jack of what Edgeworks rightly deserved to be doing.<--QuoteEnd-->
<--QuoteEEnd-->

All I kept thinking about during Reconstruction was <Hmm....this seems familiar. Codex comes to mind for a moment>. But I agree, Edgeworks should be allowed to continue.

I found out about RvB when I was around 14ish, not long after Halo 2 came out and I was an utter Halo freak. Unfortunately, I found out about The Codex years later, long after The Heretic had finished at that. I do like RvB, even though most of the first series was pretty badly done, and most of the characters were either lazy assholes, assholes, dickwads or obvious raging bull-dykes. In fact, Lopez, Shelia and Sarge were the only characters that I really, really liked.

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JadedTarget Mar 31 2009, 12:52am


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Completely railing the thread here but Red vs. Blue was the first big Halo machinima and that's what got so many Halo fans into machinima. It's a completely different type of product from The Codex and that's why I think Microsoft gave Rooster Teeth Reconstruction after telling Edgeworks to cease. Microsoft can't go a full day without stealing something, can they? After all, Edgeworks had a story that could have coincided within the Halo fiction. Rooster Teeth focused on a story after Halo's story. So why did Microsoft release "rules" close a good story down, and let a crappy one continue when they both breached the rules?

I say its solely for the fanbase. You always gain more unintelligent people than intelligent people. Microsoft went for the larger views. While I hold extreme prejudice to Rooster Teeth and Microsoft for the community treatment, I cannot forsake someone's interests. I liked where Edgeworks went with drama. Many more like Rooster Teeth's insulting jokes. I don't view it fair that Microsoft can shut fans down like they do.

Though, Rooster Teeth also came up with the idea of Grifball. While it's a direct Red vs Blue promotional, it's still fun and I like it.

I really hope Reclaimer could be done with the same level of professionalism as Reconstruction. Maybe someday Edgeworks will go the HaloGen route, keep everything they worked on, but change it from a Halo product. Ensemble, after all, had a concept for an RTS on a console long before it became a Halo game. Though, cliches are everywhere, it just wouldn't be the same story without Halo as it was fan-fiction within that medium.

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Reaper195 Mar 31 2009, 3:04am


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I wouldn't say Edgeworks were slammed by Micromoney because of the fanbase, but more Codex tied in a way, directly into the Halo universe. RvB aside from a couple of references here and there, had nothing to do with Halo at all. In fact, the first episode, one of the PSA's and another special were the only references to being in the Halo universe, the rest tended to reference as Halo being a game (as in, super soldiers in armour talking about a new game called Halo which is about super soldiers in armour). But fact of the matter is....Edgeworks were told to stop, and Rooster Teeth weren't. Which is kind of a good thing, because then they wouldn't have gotten so big, had a awesome Live-Action series, great comics and the Achievement Hunter section. They probably wouldn't have made P.A.N.I.C.S. as well, which kicked true ass.

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And yet, I have no idea what you're talking about because I'm still a fan of Edgeworks, not Rooster Teeth.
They even got their videos on Xbox LIVE Marketplace. Some even cost MS Points, I believe. I'm just saddened by it all. (cries)

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Believe me, guys, we're not sorry to be done with machinima. It seriously sucks not being able to make money off of your own work. No, the next thing we do will be 100% ours, and trust me, The Codex wasn't our only good idea. wink.gif

And btw, the RoosterTeeth guys are great people, I've met them several times, but I agree: RvB failed to fully take advantage of what Halo machinima could be. That being said, they're not the evil empire or anything.

That's Micro$oft! wink.gif

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<--quotec-->and trust me, The Codex wasn't our only good idea. wink.gif<--QuoteEnd-->
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Bullshittle! I demand proof!


In seriousness, can we hear some of these ideas?

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<--quoteo(post=248609:date=Apr 2 2009, 03:36 AM:name=Reaper195)-->
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<--quotec-->In seriousness, can we hear some of these ideas?<--QuoteEnd-->
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Give it time, I dare say we'll see some of them.

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